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Anyone have any experience with Python on Eclipse?
<http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-ecant/> Is this a hopelessly antiquated approach that only a c/c++/java programmer could want? Nat _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
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On Sun, 2011-01-09 at 16:34 -0500, Nathaniel Polish wrote:
> Anyone have any experience with Python on Eclipse? > > <http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-ecant/> > > Is this a hopelessly antiquated approach that only a c/c++/java programmer > could want? It is not exactly clear to me what is your actual question. Q: Is it OK to use Eclipse + PyDev to develop in Python + SciPy? A: Yes, many people do it. There are other IDE's out there as well. Q: Is it OK to use Ant with Python? A: Generally, Python has its own build / distributions tools. A: If using Ant makes you more productive, it's up to you. Q: ... A: ... HTH, -- Sincerely yours, Yury V. Zaytsev _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
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I suppose that I was asking a style and taste question. There are lots of
environments -- some are in use for historical reasons -- some are more modern. I for example have been known to write c code in emacs, compile with gcc and debug in gdb. I would never recommend it to anyone under the age of 40 since IDEs such as Eclipse are better in just about every way. I was looking for recommendations for development environments that are considered by the community to be "modern". --On Sunday, January 09, 2011 11:14 PM +0100 "Yury V. Zaytsev" <[hidden email]> wrote: > On Sun, 2011-01-09 at 16:34 -0500, Nathaniel Polish wrote: >> Anyone have any experience with Python on Eclipse? >> >> <http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-ecant/> >> >> Is this a hopelessly antiquated approach that only a c/c++/java >> programmer could want? > > It is not exactly clear to me what is your actual question. > > Q: Is it OK to use Eclipse + PyDev to develop in Python + SciPy? > A: Yes, many people do it. There are other IDE's out there as well. > > Q: Is it OK to use Ant with Python? > A: Generally, Python has its own build / distributions tools. > A: If using Ant makes you more productive, it's up to you. > > Q: ... > A: ... > > HTH, > > -- > Sincerely yours, > Yury V. Zaytsev > > _______________________________________________ > SciPy-User mailing list > [hidden email] > http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
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On Sun, Jan 09, 2011 at 05:30:00PM -0500, Nathaniel Polish wrote:
> I was looking for recommendations for development environments that are > considered by the community to be "modern". vim for code editing, ipython for exploring, debugging and profiling That's what I use, and I am under 40 (actually still under 30 for a short while) :$ _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
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On Sun, 2011-01-09 at 17:30 -0500, Nathaniel Polish wrote:
> I would never recommend it to anyone under the age of 40 since IDEs > such as Eclipse are better in just about every way. This is so arguable... Ok, let's not get started on that, at least it is now clear what did you have in mind when you were asking your question. The combinations that I've seen people using for SciPy / Numpy: 1) Aptana (= Eclipse + PyDev) 2) PyCharm (= IDEA + Python plugin, commercial) 3) Wingware IDE (commercial) 4) vim / emacs + Python shell 5) Eric, Spyder, other lightweight IDE's All of them, can be, of course, complimented by ipython -pylab for quick experimentation. Specific choice is purely a matter of taste / what makes you personally most productive. > I was looking for recommendations for development environments that are > considered by the community to be "modern". Well, I personally use PyCharm. I guess I am a very modern guy. Not sure if it's a compliment though :-) It's paid-for, but if you have ever used any of the other JetBrains IDE's you can understand why one would want to pay for it. -- Sincerely yours, Yury V. Zaytsev _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
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On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 7:30 AM, Nathaniel Polish <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I suppose that I was asking a style and taste question. There are lots of > environments -- some are in use for historical reasons -- some are more > modern. I for example have been known to write c code in emacs, compile > with gcc and debug in gdb. I would never recommend it to anyone under the > age of 40 since IDEs such as Eclipse are better in just about every way. Quite a few people think otherwise, and prefer emacs+toolchain over IDE. Modern or not is irrelevant: what matters is what an IDE gives you that you cannot get with a tool like emacs. In python's, case, my experience is not much. Other people may prefer to get their VCS, etc.... integrated in one tool. Some languages like java have pretty good IDE, but what they offer is not available for python (refactoring, for example - I have not seen much of anything useful for advanced refactoring in python yet). cheers, David _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
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On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Yury V. Zaytsev <[hidden email]> wrote:
And I was so hoping for an emacs/vim flame war ;) The combinations that I've seen people using for SciPy / Numpy: I've seen folks on windows running Eclipse using the Python(x,y) distribution. It looked pretty cool. If I have to use windows I'll probably give it a shot. All of them, can be, of course, complimented by ipython -pylab for quick Off to google the name. I don't end up using these IDE's but its fun to see what's out there. And maybe I'm just an old dog. Chuck _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
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Oh please. Emacs is for real men. We hack code in lisp in an emacs shell.
I first used emacs in 1984. I used it to read email and net news. It was not just a text editor, it was a lifestyle. But that has NOTHING to do with Python. Though I bet you could build a great Python interpreter in emacs. More to the point, I find that some languages/systems are much better learned and understood within a particular development environment. I'll probably stick with emacs plus the python shell for the moment. However, I'll probably tryout the eclipse offering. I came across enthought.com (they seem to host this list). It looks interesting. Is it worthwhile as a distribution or just a way for commercial-types to get paid support? If anyone wants to exchange emacs/vi flames with me that's fine, but its probably off-list material. Nat --On Sunday, January 09, 2011 7:13 PM -0700 Charles R Harris <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Yury V. Zaytsev <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > On Sun, 2011-01-09 at 17:30 -0500, Nathaniel Polish wrote: > >> I would never recommend it to anyone under the age of 40 since IDEs >> such as Eclipse are better in just about every way. > > This is so arguable... Ok, let's not get started on that, at least it is > now clear what did you have in mind when you were asking your question. > > > > > And I was so hoping for an emacs/vim flame war ;) > > > The combinations that I've seen people using for SciPy / Numpy: > > 1) Aptana (= Eclipse + PyDev) > 2) PyCharm (= IDEA + Python plugin, commercial) > 3) Wingware IDE (commercial) > 4) vim / emacs + Python shell > 5) Eric, Spyder, other lightweight IDE's > > > > > I've seen folks on windows running Eclipse using the Python(x,y) > distribution. It looked pretty cool. If I have to use windows I'll > probably give it a shot. > > > All of them, can be, of course, complimented by ipython -pylab for quick > experimentation. Specific choice is purely a matter of taste / what > makes you personally most productive. > > >> I was looking for recommendations for development environments that are >> considered by the community to be "modern". > > Well, I personally use PyCharm. I guess I am a very modern guy. Not sure > if it's a compliment though :-) It's paid-for, but if you have ever used > any of the other JetBrains IDE's you can understand why one would want > to pay for it. > > > > > Off to google the name. I don't end up using these IDE's but its fun to > see what's out there. And maybe I'm just an old dog. > > Chuck > _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
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On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 10:15 +0900, David Cournapeau wrote:
> Some languages like java have pretty good IDE, but what they offer is > not available for python (refactoring, for example - I have not seen > much of anything useful for advanced refactoring in python yet). That's one of the major reasons for me to stick to PyCharm at the moment. They have quite a bit of most common *working* refactorings available and also are very responsive towards bug reports and enhancement requests in this area. Otherwise, it's what you said: integrated experience. -- Sincerely yours, Yury V. Zaytsev _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
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On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Yury V. Zaytsev <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 10:15 +0900, David Cournapeau wrote: > >> Some languages like java have pretty good IDE, but what they offer is >> not available for python (refactoring, for example - I have not seen >> much of anything useful for advanced refactoring in python yet). > > That's one of the major reasons for me to stick to PyCharm at the > moment. They have quite a bit of most common *working* refactorings > available and also are very responsive towards bug reports and > enhancement requests in this area. Can you do things like method and object attributes rename reliably across a project ? It has always seemed it would be near impossible to do this in a language like python, but if it worked, it would be a good reason to buy such a tool IMO. cheers, David _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
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On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 19:39 +0900, David Cournapeau wrote:
> Can you do things like method and object attributes rename reliably > across a project ? It has always seemed it would be near impossible to > do this in a language like python, but if it worked, it would be a > good reason to buy such a tool IMO. I have to agree that it's very complicated in general, but for me it worked better than I would have done manually with search and replace. I mostly use other refactorings i.e. introduce a variable, replace variable with expression, rename private class attributes etc. You shouldn't trust me on whether it is going to work in your case or not, just try it out on your project whenever you've got some spare time and figure out whether it works for you. -- Sincerely yours, Yury V. Zaytsev _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
installing/compiling scipy module on windows, mingw
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hello...
I need some support from you: I want to install the scikits.image (http://scikits.appspot.com/image) module on my Windows 7 machine. As scikits.image doesn't come with an windows installer I have to compile it myself (my first time). What I got so far is: 1) I got the scikits.image folder downloaded (including the setup.py) to my documentsfolder 2) I got minGW including GCC installed (in C:/minGW) and set the environmental variable for the PATH in windows 3) I installed Cython (newest version) And how should I proceed now?? How do I check if everything is set correctly and how should I now compile? pls help me! thank you a lot /J -- Sicherer, schneller und einfacher. Die aktuellen Internet-Browser - jetzt kostenlos herunterladen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
Re: installing/compiling scipy module on windows, mingw
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> And how should I proceed now?? How do I check if everything is set correctly and how should I now compile? I never compiled anything on windows but according to the documentation : >The SciKit may be installed globally using >python setup.py install >or locally using >python setup.py install --prefix=${HOME} >If you prefer, you can use it without installing, by simply adding >this path to your PYTHONPATH variable and compiling the extensions:: > python setup.py build_ext -i So you have to try one of the command line above (you'l probably need administrator's right for the first one), and look if it works or not. _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
Re: installing/compiling scipy module on windows, mingw
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That's were I got stucked:
I just typed 'python setup.py install' into my windows cmd, which I was running as admin. It returns that 'python' isn't recognized... -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:53:52 +0100 > Von: Jean-Luc Menut <[hidden email]> > An: SciPy Users List <[hidden email]> > Betreff: Re: [SciPy-User] installing/compiling scipy module on windows, mingw > Hi > > > And how should I proceed now?? How do I check if everything is set > correctly and how should I now compile? > > I never compiled anything on windows but according to the documentation : > > >The SciKit may be installed globally using > >python setup.py install > > >or locally using > >python setup.py install --prefix=${HOME} > > >If you prefer, you can use it without installing, by simply adding > >this path to your PYTHONPATH variable and compiling the extensions:: > > python setup.py build_ext -i > > > So you have to try one of the command line above (you'l probably need > administrator's right for the first one), and look if it works or not. > _______________________________________________ > SciPy-User mailing list > [hidden email] > http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user -- Sicherer, schneller und einfacher. Die aktuellen Internet-Browser - jetzt kostenlos herunterladen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
Re: installing/compiling scipy module on windows, mingw
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Le 10/01/2011 15:00, Johannes Radinger a écrit :
> That's were I got stucked: > > I just typed 'python setup.py install' into my windows cmd, which I was running as admin. It returns that 'python' isn't recognized... that means that python is not in your system path : go to Computer->system properties -> advanced system settings -> advanced -> Environment variables. Select Path and click on edit. You need to add the path to your python executable (C:\Python26 in my case). Don't forget to add ";" as a separator. _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
Re: installing/compiling scipy module on windows, mingw
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Oh yes...there was a spelling mistake in the PATH settings for pyhton,
that is working know but I get now the error message: file "setup.py", line 23 in <module> import setuptools Import Error: No module named setuptools does that mean I have first to install setuptools? or is something wrong with the module I want to compile? thanks /j -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:27:56 +0100 > Von: Jean-Luc Menut <[hidden email]> > An: SciPy Users List <[hidden email]> > Betreff: Re: [SciPy-User] installing/compiling scipy module on windows, mingw > Le 10/01/2011 15:00, Johannes Radinger a écrit : > > That's were I got stucked: > > > > I just typed 'python setup.py install' into my windows cmd, which I was > running as admin. It returns that 'python' isn't recognized... > > that means that python is not in your system path : go to > Computer->system properties -> advanced system settings -> advanced -> > Environment variables. Select Path and click on edit. You need to add > the path to your python executable (C:\Python26 in my case). Don't > forget to add ";" as a separator. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SciPy-User mailing list > [hidden email] > http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user -- Sicherer, schneller und einfacher. Die aktuellen Internet-Browser - jetzt kostenlos herunterladen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
Re: installing/compiling scipy module on windows, mingw
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> does that mean I have first to install setuptools?
Yes, but check first if it's not installed in the python's Scripts subdirectory and if this directory is in the path http://pypi.python.org/pypi/setuptools _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
Re: installing/compiling scipy module on windows, mingw
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On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 05:11:00PM +0100, Johannes Radinger wrote:
> Oh yes...there was a spelling mistake in the PATH settings for pyhton, > that is working know but I get now the error message: > file "setup.py", line 23 in <module> > import setuptools > Import Error: No module named setuptools > does that mean I have first to install setuptools? It does indeed. HTH, Gael _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
Re: installing/compiling scipy module on windows, mingw
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Thank you...
That was pretty easy to install... and seems to work now... but it seems that always when i think i solved a problem a new one appears... no it starts compiling and than it stops with the argument that cython isn't recognized...I copied the path of cython to PATH but the problem still exists...how can I test if cython is working and if PATH is set correctly? or what do I have to set in the environmental setting? /j -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:20:04 +0100 > Von: Gael Varoquaux <[hidden email]> > An: SciPy Users List <[hidden email]> > Betreff: Re: [SciPy-User] installing/compiling scipy module on windows, mingw > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 05:11:00PM +0100, Johannes Radinger wrote: > > Oh yes...there was a spelling mistake in the PATH settings for pyhton, > > that is working know but I get now the error message: > > > file "setup.py", line 23 in <module> > > import setuptools > > Import Error: No module named setuptools > > > does that mean I have first to install setuptools? > > It does indeed. > > HTH, > > Gael > _______________________________________________ > SciPy-User mailing list > [hidden email] > http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
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On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 06:12:34PM +0100, Johannes Radinger wrote:
> no it starts compiling and than it stops with the argument that > cython isn't recognized... Darn, cython shouldn't be needed to build the scikit. Looks like we let something slip through during the last release. Could you please copy the exact error message here, and we'll do a bug fix release ASAP. Gaël _______________________________________________ SciPy-User mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/scipy-user |
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